The meeting was conducted via the meeting room https://connect.sunet.se/openEHR
A recording of the meeting (53 minutes) is available at https://connect.sunet.se/p2xmsvfxshu/
Misc. notes
PETER: What is 1.5? I thought there what we used to call 1.5 is now known as 2.0.
Erik: Yes 1.4 vs 2.0, sorry
PETER:
IAN: Bostjan's explanation was correct IMO .
IAN: To answer Peter - the source ADL 1.4-> 1.5 does change but by the time it is 'compiled' back to operational template format, the adl.14 .opt is very similar to the adl1.5 .opt i.e there is a natural junction point.
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Diego: Hi all! I'd love to help with this, but I'm really focused on writting my PhD thesis :( so I won't be able to be as involved as I'd like
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Erik Sundvall: Diego, I know the feeling. Focus on the PhD. But you are welcome to give some feedback when you need a break/distraction...
[removed hello/mic/speaker/test etc by Sebastian Iancu, Thomas Beale, Choi Dong Won(Republic of Korea), Alex, Erik Sundvall, Ian McNicoll, Diego]
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Thomas Beale: I'll add some things to the wiki re: APIs, from ADL Workbench
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Sebastian Iancu: i agree
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Choi Dong Won(Republic of Korea): I'm sorry to interrupt your conversationI don't have mic...Hi, this is choi dong won. in south of korea, interesting in openehrI am a member of nousco.co.,ltd.(www.nouco.com)We are developing the EHR platform based on openEHRI already developing a template designer for the Web version.this project is very interesting for meI will be observing today because I can't speak very well
Sebastian Iancu: 1.4/1.5 is still very important
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Bostjan: i think from adl 1.5 we could easily produce regular 1.4 opts?
Bostjan: so we might not need tool to natively support 1.4?
Thomas Beale: I would suggest that the internal tooling works based on ADL 2
Thomas Beale: ADL 1.4 outputs need to be an input and output mode
Thomas Beale: reasoning properly with ADL 1.4 internally is hard/impossible
Thomas Beale: I would suggest so
Thomas Beale: right
Ian McNicoll: Agreed
Thomas Beale: we still need to see if we want to define a new 1.5, 1.6 etc
Thomas Beale: example things for a new 1.5 = adding annotations
Thomas Beale: etc
>> spoken question here regarding how stable the ADL 2.0 spec is right now...
Thomas Beale: it is very stable
Thomas Beale: we are looking at final changes due to Mayo / Intermountain review
Thomas Beale: that's the team converting it to AML for OMG standard
Thomas Beale: and they are relying on stability as much as us
>> TODO: Listen to recording and add spoken question here
Thomas Beale: one way to do that might simply be to reprocess the current ADL WB OPT XML
Thomas Beale: e.g. with Xslt or Xquery
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Thomas Beale: the current workbench can be made headless and wrapped
Thomas Beale: but I suggest just looking at the flattened XML output and seeing what conversion is needed from there
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Diego: Is there an XML schema for the 2.0 AOM?
Thomas Beale: good Q ;-)
Thomas Beale: not yet!
Diego: ;D
Thomas Beale: but Iguess it isn't a lot of work
Diego: I have tried to generate 1.4 AOM from other models via XQuery
Diego: in theory was possible
Diego: so AOM 2.0 to 1.4 seems feasible
Thomas Beale: you might want to look at the flattened XML output in the ADL Workbench
Bostjan: great diego, thanks
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Bostjan: i think now we need only one tool for both templates and archetypes
Thomas Beale: we do
Sebastian Iancu: ... and demographic-RM
Thomas Beale: next ADL WB release can create new template on single click
Thomas Beale: Bostjan - this is a very good point
Sebastian Iancu: agree
Thomas Beale: Q to group: importance of 'clinical friendly archetype editor'?
Thomas Beale: I try to keep up;-)
Sebastian Iancu: this is quite a good platform
Thomas Beale: platform Q: def ned to separate pres layer from back-end
Sebastian Iancu: (first time user)
Diego: just that if multiple RM are considered from the start then this is a critical issue to be taken into account at the beginning
Thomas Beale: also true
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Thomas Beale: BTW in CIMI, a Enterprise Architect => BMM converter was built
Thomas Beale: it means you can build archetypes based on any RM
Diego: yes
Thomas Beale: e.g. FHIR, CDISC, 13606
Thomas Beale: even openEHR ;-)
Diego: node identification, not interesting classes
Diego: etc.
Diego: agree
Thomas Beale: @Ian - with RM-independence, you need to create a whole layer on top that maps from 'tree' structures to friendly view
Diego: Maybe a question before any other is if we want a modelers tool or a implementers tool :)
>> TODO: Listen to recording and add peters spoken question/statement here
Thomas Beale: agree with Peter's statements
Bostjan: me too
Choi Dong Won(Republic of Korea): later... gdl editor also plugged in tool?
Ian McNicoll: me too - I thikjn we need ot start with the more technical layer
Thomas Beale: GDL is another good Q
Ian McNicoll: @Choi - good suggestion
Diego: Yes they are
Diego: haha
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Diego: been trying to generate a openEHR specific clinician view for archetypes
Diego: not so easy at it seemed at first look :(
Thomas Beale: it's worth looking at CKM - it actually abstracts even openEHR in subtle ways
Diego: yeah, problem is abstracting in the creation
Bostjan: sometimes you want/need RM view as well - i like TD 2.7 which has that option
Thomas Beale: agree
Sebastian Iancu: no i'm done also
Thomas Beale: that's why ADL WB has those controls on right hand side
Sebastian Iancu: ok
Ian McNicoll: @Erik - thanks for hosting and organising
Diego: thanks! :D
Alex: Thanks. Good night
Thomas Beale: thanks
Diego: bye
Choi Dong Won(Republic of Korea): bye
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Erik Sundvall: Stopping recording now. I will transfer chat etc somewhat edited to the wiki.
This list/agenda was used part of the time and may help identify timepointe in the recording.
Welcome - Erik Sundvall
Short presentations: Who are you? Main interests in this tooling project? (add your name here)
Thoughts about the approach of first experimenting with modules/apis (and a lot of other things,
Open discussion